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stunning number, 97% of chain restaurant meal don't meet the nutrition standards for our kids. 97%! some think the government should step in. >> i'm toure. speaking of percentages, imagine you and your koergs win big in power play but someone in the office didn't join the pool. if it's ari, no. if it's krystal, yes. >> i feel so lucky. so are all of you because you're in "the cycle" and well, that's priceless. supporters of marriage equality have their fingers crossed following two days at the supreme court. it is now up to the nine justices. we already know where the court of public opinion stands for the first time ever. the majority of americans support gay marriage. it is up 21% since 2004.
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and remember that year, 2004? president george w. bush was reelected, the summer olympics were held in athens and the golden boy of american politics fell from grace after his affair with another man was exposed. was the day the house of cards collapsed on jim mcgreevey. >> i engaged in adult consensual affair with another man which violates my bonds of matrimony. it was wrong. it was foolish. it was inexcusable. and for this, i ask the forgiveness and the grace of my wife. >> his path took him from the governor's mansion to the episcopal church where he acts as an openly gay spiritual adviser to women in prison while working toward the priest hood. the governor's fascinating journey is featured in the hbo documentary film, fall to grace which debuts on hbo tonight. take a look. >> from being in the closet is a
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prison of sorts. >> for a gay man, there were so many times in my life where i felt filled with shame and guilt and ugliness and now to move through this. i hope to do that for these women. >> joining us now, our form he governor jim mcgreevey and the filmmaker behind that documentary, thank you both for being here. and governor, i want to start with you on the news of the week. what is your take on the supreme court's taking up doma and proposition 8 this week? >> well, obviously, it is a very interesting and exciting week. and to go back eight years, one would have never expected to see such movement. but while i'm hopeful that at some point in american jurisprudence will recognize that gay rights and marriage between same sex couples ought to be a matter of equal protection from the questions of justice kennedy, i think perhaps
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what will happen is that justice kennedy and there will be a five-court majority to rule against doma standing, and allow the states to serve as incubators of change. but ultimately, i think what gay persons want is what all americans want. that is to be treated fairly, to be treated equitably. >> we just played a little bit of your famous coming out moment. i want to play a little more of that. >> do you have to? >> it makes little difference that as governor, i am gay. in fact, having the ability to truthfully set forth my i'd everybody might have enabled me to be more forthright in fulfilling and discharging my constitutional obligations. >> governor, i look at that as a great moment. i watched that press conference as it happened. i was very proud for and you the way you handled that. can you talk about your emotions in that moment and if you felt liberated in that very unique national coming out moment?
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>> there was a certain amount of obvious liberation. that's what the danger of the closet is. because in the closet, you're almost forced to create this parallel construction between who you are as an individual, your heart's longings, and what you think you have to do to be publicly accepted. and so after knowing that i was different when i was at the age of 5 or 6 and knowing that i was gay at 8 or 9, and if i can, so many people recognize that coming to the understanding that you're gay happens one person at a time. whether you grow up italian american or african-american, your race, your religion, that is handed down by narrative and stories from generation to generation. but each person basically themselves figures out whether or not they're gay. and so when i came to that recognition, my church said it was an abomination, and at the time i was labeled as a psychiatric illness. it was something that obviously,
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i didn't want to he will brace and so i spent the better part of my life denying it. so at one point, there was a moment of great liberation and truth telling and authenticity. but it was obviously also a very painful moment for a lot of other reasons. >> why do you think americans are so interested in the family lives and the sex lives of our politicians? >> god, i wish i knew the answer to that. i'm sorry. i thought i had all the answers. i'm realizing, let's go back to jim. jim, why do you think people are obsessed with their sex lives? >> this is what she always does to me. >> you know what, this is what she does to me. i just asked her the question. >> exactly. but you haven't been traveling -- yes. did you just join the panel? >> i want to know why you think people are obsessed with it. >> you know, i just think that humans, the women that i work with in jail.
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i think we all yearn for the same things. we yearn for love, for purpose in our lives. the difficulty about politics for me is that you're trying to prong, you're trying to prong a view, trying to project if you will, something that will resonate with the voters. and there was, obviously for me a difference between who i was author authentically and what that pronjection was. so that is what people are interested in. >> governor, you also talked about the sense of ego that you had to sort of reconcile with. maybe being somewhat addicted to adoration. you said you thought therapy for that. i'm wondering how that's going. you're here today. you're a part of this movie. i watched you on bill maher recently. you did a great job. do you still have this feeling, this need to be loved? >> obviously, on this show right now, i am having a serious
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relapse. no. >> we love you though. >> glad you're here, by the way. >> when alexandra came to my partner mark and i, it was something that we didn't readily embrace. we have a wonderful life. wave good life. and i have a great sense of purpose in working with a woman and frankly, next week, that's what i'll be doing. so this will be very much in the past. but what i loved about what alexandra did, she spent time with women. and if i can, if jim mcgreevey, if my broken story has any good to come from it. if we can focus on the women and the men behind bars, it would have been worth it. america is 5% of the world's population and we're 25% of the incarcerated population in the world. we're first followed by russia and then rwanda. and 70% of the people behind bars are addicts. that's the reason why they
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engage in criminal behavior. there was a great study but not in columbia. only 11% of those people get treated. so the sad reality is in american prisons is that two-thirds of people after they're released will commit another serious felony within three years of release. so we're engaging respectfully in a stupid system. it is a 66% failure rate. and this is something that republicans, people like chuck colson, democrats, democrats can rally around. we're spending a prohibitive amount of money, $74 billion on our incarceration system. we have a two-thirds failure rate. and we're not treating the addictions which is the approximate cause of the women i work with, their criminal behavior. >> so the answer to the question of why are you allowing people to shine the light out is because you want to talk about the women. you don't want to talk about the train wreck that was your life. you want to talk about how the
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criminal justice system is broken. >> see, it works that she answers my questions and i answer hers. >> is it working? >> delayed but -- >> i do want to say having watched the film that i do think that is one of the powerful takeaways from it. both that you see yourself in the women that you're helping and there is a scene that really moved me as a mother and also an expectant mother, where the women are with their children. and you recognize that it is not just these individuals who are impacted. there is community impact. it is a heart breaking moment. >> if i can, that was a heart -- when i first, when alexandra, when i first saw the film and i remember that. when my dear friend ashley, a woman with whom i worked for two years, and her daughters there, and she had just told her daughter that she was in jail. so this was one of the first visits. her daughter is hugging her and
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the lieutenant comes, says well, it's time for count. that means you have to go back to lockup. >> don't give away the whole movie. it is so painful when the daughter leaves and she doesn't want to let go of her mother. this is what we have to understand. children of felons are six time as likely themselves to become felons. what we're doing is we're creating this ever increasing burgeoning prison population. we're not educating people. we're not asking them to work. and so there is something, i believe, morally wrong with how we do prisons. you look at how the israelis do it. how the norwegians do it. where countries are innovative, teaching people employment benefits, how to be productive. what do we do? we just lock people up. >> i really appreciate you both being here and governor, in particular, you being willing to share your story and the story of these women. thank you so much.
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>> they've also given me such a great source of strength. >> and thank you for the intervention for jim right now. i think it is really helping. up next, the president's last stand for gun control and disturbing new details just released by newtown investigators about the tragedy that ignited the gun control debate. "the cycle" rolls on for thursday, march 28th.
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101 days after the tragedy in newtown, president obama stood with the victims of gun violence today. called again for common sense measures to protect our
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children. >> if there is a step we can take that will save just one child. just one parent. just another town from experiencing the same grief that some of the moms and dads who are here have endured, then we should be doing it. >> these remarks come during a day of coordinated rallies against gun violence across the country. and when search warrants of adam lanza's home revealed new details about the shooter's home life, including a veritable arsenal of weapons. nine knives, three samurai swords, two guns and a spear. also, his journals, books on autism, a holiday card with a check from his mother to buy a gun and an nra guide, basics of pistol shooting. usually there is a big uptick in support followed by a pretty quick reaggression to the status quo. so far, the newtown gun control debate seems to buck that trend. but you have to wonder if today's push means that the passion for this topic is alive and well or if it is an attempt
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to breathe life into a movement that is losing some steam. we're going to spin on it. if you look at the number first and foremost, you see organizing for action. the obama group that has had many names but is the big 16 million e-mail list has done a lot here. they say they've had as i mentioned, hundreds 900,000 pee sort of online action. and this particular tragedy has been covered fundamentally differently in the media. after virginia tech and other shootings, according to some political science research, you had about 1,000 mentions per week of gun control in articles that faded back very quickly, as i mentioned. on this one it is up to over 2,000 and lasting well after six weeks' post event. so we're in a fundamentally different conversation. the reason why i'm not really optimistic about getting a lot through congress is that's all about the issue attention cycle. that's about the active energy and the active discussions and
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what we do. but you have a lock in congress on most of these issues. by the nra and on both parties. while it may have long term effects, i don't think it changes the legislative strategy. >> i think that's right. especially when you look that several republicans have indicated, they would filibuster. gun control legislation and you have several democrats even who haven't come out and said they're on both with it. i think it is hard to see how we get at least universal background checks through the senate. at this point, if i could sound maybe a little bit more of an optimistic note, programs it is somewhat of a crass political point but it can have a long term shift in the political dynamics. i think when you look at 90% public support for universal background checks, i think this is a winning issue for a lot of democrats across the country. one caveat for that for 2014, 2016 and beyond, i think you could see a shift with more sort
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of pro gun control forces being supported and coming to the political system. that can have an impact over time. i will say there is one caveat here. i am glad to see that there are now powerful forces aligning behind sensible gun restrictions. i do not think that bloomberg himself being such a face of that movement is helpful, particularly in moderate states across the country. associated with an urban area with heavy-handed nanny state quote/unquote tactics. i don't think he is the face that you want to have associated with this issue. gabby giffords and mark kelly, fantastic, perfect, amazing spokespeople. he could be doing just as much good with his money and his power without being such a public face of this. >> i think you're absolutely right. i said that before, that some of the voices on this are really doing a disservice even if i'm on the opposite side, to the message. he is sort of seen as carpet bagging into other states and
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throwing money at the problem. it is not helpful. but there is also some politics at stake here. i think that the capital and the space is limited for obama. so he has a big agenda and lots of things he wants to get done. the other thing in addition to gun control is immigration. and i think some of these democratic lawmakers who would have to worry about supporting gun control legislation, they are the same lawmakers who might worry about appearing soft on immigration. so if they're asked to make a choice and that's what the president will ask them to do. if they're asked to support both, they might not feel like they can ask their constituents to go with them on this twice. so i think for the president, 1994 looms very large. he remembers what happened the last time democrats were asked to support gun control. it was disastrous. i think what you're going to see despite, you know, the hard
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rhett recollect on guns from obama and biden, i think you're going to see him angling more for immigration reform. it is the easier ask. and less perilous politically than the gun control ask. >> i'm not sure i agree that math and the passion we saw today, the president at his press conference has not suggested he will let this go easily. when we see what happened in illinois, one of the house races turned because the democrat was able to portray her opponent as pro nra. we might see being pro nra as a negative thing. i want to turn the discussion a little bit into what else the lawmakers can consider i think the background checks are an important thing. maybe they won't happen but it would be a valuable step. i think limiting magazines is an important step. maybe it won't happen but it will be valuable. a couple of the ideas that i have been playing around with. things that i like to see us do in terms of manufacturers, it is very easy. i spoke to a friend of mine at raytheon. very easy to create personalized
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guns that recognize your fingerprints so only the person who purchases the gun cannot use it. so adam lanza cannot grab his mother's arsenal and use that. when we talk about what the dealers are doing, they don't have any liability. they created a blanket where they cannot be sued when they make mistakes. bartenders cannot serve people who they know are inebriated. so perhaps we can have something where the dealers are liable for making sale to people who they don't know. and i'm not sure how that would be enacted but i'm sure they can see, a minority of dealers are selling to a majority of criminals. so some of them can see. and perhaps what is important, gun owner responsibility. there are many countries including switzerland that regulate safe storage so you have to keep your gun is safely locked up. you have to keep your bullets separate from that. when so many crimes are crimes of passion, committed against somebody you know or love or suicide which happen more often
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in america than homicide which is a crime of the moment. people are not just depressed for a long period of time and they're dying to kill themselves. it happens in a wave. they suddenly get to a low and they're like, i don't want to live anymore. if they didn't have a gun easily accessible, they would not kill themselves and they would come out of it and find other ways to go on living. if we made it a little harder to get access to your own gun. then more people would be saved from those crimes of passion and from -- >> god for bid you need it in a moment of self-defense. i'll have you know the nra spends millions a year on safety, education and responsible gun ownership. it is really hard to enforce thing that happen inside the privacy of someone's home. >> and education is great for the responsible gun owners. a lot of people feel, and most, are a lot of people feel we need more, congress under a bipartisan majority passed the law for commerce in arms act. and took a lot of liability tools off the table. that goes to your point where you might want to see movement. up next, we are going to look at
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we don't call them developing countries for nothing. places like china, india and brazil. each has engineered an impressive turn-around. today they're emerging market which share a common trait. they adopted policy that's were working in places like, say, the united states. is it time we start taking our own advice? absolutely according to our next guest. peter blair henry is the dean of nyu's stern school of business and the author of turn-around. third world lessons for first world growth. welcome. >> thank you. >> so you say austerity is not the answer. we're all sort of looking at
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europe for lessons on austerity. but clearly, you don't think that the united states can continue on its trajectory of spending, yes? >> so i think the key thing is understanding that what we need is discipline. and discipline does not mean fiscal austerity. it means having a good sense of where you want to go. and focusing on things that produce growth. so you mentioned the third world countries. in the past, and a good example is a country like chile. right? it means the context of fiscal policy. what that means is saving when times are good so you have a surplus that you can draw on when times are not good. and when times are bad, then obviously you can use that -- >> we don't do that here. >> no. and to give you a really good example. take the contrast. think of a country like chile. so chile in 2008, the country was booming. alarmingly due to the world boom
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in copper prices. and at the time, the minister of finance was under a lot of pressure. he was actually burned in effigy in the streets because the population wanted him to return that fiscal surplus to the people association to speak. and he said no, this is money for a rainy day. so when the financial crisis hit, they were actually able to have the $4 billion tax cut package. in stark contrast when we had a $236 billion surplus, and basically returned that tax surplus. so during the boom years, we were running deficits. now we're in difficult situations. >> right. so we didn't do the thing that we should have done. we gave out tax cuts and went to war while the economy was booming so when things turned, we weren't in a good place. where do we go from there? >> let's look at where we are now. right now unemployment is still at 7.7%. everybody has been talking about
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how the stock market is booming but it is important, we're still not back in real terms where it was in 2007. and the real key for the u.s. economy going forward is how do we restore investment? so about a decade ago, the united states was investing roughly 20% of gdp. right now we're investing about 15%. so it is almost a trillion-dollar lower per year. in order to sustain corporate profits and to eventually produce employment, which is what is really key to prosperity, we're going to need to see investment recovery. that will require clarity about the future path of policy. in particular, fiscal policy. >> peter, economists will tell that you the working class is necessary for the upper class to have somebody to take care of them. very cynical view but that's the way a lot of economists look at things. does this work on a global level that the richer countries need some countries to be poor in order to have somebody to exploit? >> i think the important thing to remember is that the global
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economy is not a zero sum game. that's the most important lesson from studying the history of third world countries in the last three and a half decades. as they turned around, yes, they took advantage of a global marketplace and they were at a point in their development where there is a lot of unused labor. underutilized labor in the country side in countries like china and india that they were able to drive manufacturing growth. but as countries begin to grow, and the stock market, for instance, picks up as a result of clarity in the direction of policy, that is a signal to firms as the cost go down them begin to invest. that generates more employment and growth. and there is a cycle that is part of the, pardon the pun, a positive cycle that -- >> hey! >> we always like that. >> pardon the pun or pardon the plug? >> see what i did there?
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you also mentioned earlier with the fact that markets while recovering are not at the highs of 2007. but s&p is up 130% from the fiscal crisis in 2009. it seems to be some kind of market judgment that cyprus is a small economy, that europe's problems and the problems around the world as well as unemployment won't hit the bottom line of these corporations. do you think that is irrational exuberance on wall street right now? >> i think it is too early to tell where we are. so there has certainly been a positive run-up. i think it was largely due to a number of factors. we've had expansion in monetary policy. thing had been relatively quiet in europe. now we're getting some noise and we're realizing that there is still somewhere to go. i think the big issue with respect to cyprus, which is a small country, but there has been a fairly outsize precedence set with respect to capital controls. and that's another really important lesson.
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we don't want capital controls to come back in the form that they existed in the '70s and '80s again in the context of what were then third world countries. the key lesson that we're missing out of the cyprus crisis is not that capital flows are bad. moving capital between countries but too much debt. that's a lesson that we learn over and over again if we look at, for instance, the third world debt crisis. the emerging crisis in the mid 1990s. those lessons are there for the taking. we need more reliance on foreign direct investment and less debt. >> dean peter henry, thank you, and please say hi to my graduate school alma mater. i like that purple tie. >> thank you. up next, are all those hours at the gym trying to lose weight for summer a waste of time? you heard that right. ♪ [ acoustic guitar: upbeat ]
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ever feel like you're fighting the battle of the bulk and losing? you watch what you eat, live at the gym and still feel the pounds packing on any way. by the way, you have to love giving the pregnant lady a segment on weight gainful thanks, guys. our next guest says there's a good chance the hours of sweat may be a waste of time and the traditional ways we think of diet and exercise don't work when it come to weight loss. i have to admit, i am a little bit skeptical. here to break it down is renowned pediatric and endocrinologist. sorry about that. he is the author of the new book, fat chance. beating the odds against sugar, processed food, obesity and disease. thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me. i never said it was a waste of time. in fact, exercise is the single best investment you can do for your health. not for your weight. if you're at the scale, that's the problem. if you look at your pant size,
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that exercise will work and it works for the right reasons. >> let me start with my friend here, ari, who has a little bit of counter evidence that he would like to share. f i feel that you have a good bed sim manner so i'm ready to open up to you. >> about to get real. >> i had a period before five weeks where i stopped exercising completely, and prior to that, i had been a regular, on a regular exercise regimen for my whole life. and in those five weeks, i gained ten pounds. >> not surprised. >> there is all sorts of reasons for that. number one, by exercising, you were actually increasing your metabolic rate during the period of time that you were exercising and also, while you were at rest, even while you were sleeping. that's why michael phelps can eat 12,000 calories and stay slim. he only burns about 4,000 or 5,000 of those during his exercise periods. the point is his energy expenditure even during sleep is increased. so by stopping your exercise, you actually went back down to
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baseline but you didn't change your total dietary intake by sitting on the couch, probably increased it. so not at all surprising you gained your ten pounds. >> doctor, there's a quote from your book that i wanted to read and get you to unpack a bit. you say the current food environment we have created does not match our biochemistry, and this mismatch is at the heart of our medical, social, and financial crisis. what do you mean by that? >> i mean exactly what i said. it is at the heart of our medical crisis because by this metabolic syndrome epidemic, and i don't mean obesity. that's a loser. i don't want to talk about obesity. 20% of obese people have completely normal metabolism. yet 30% of thin normal weight people have the same metabolic distungs as the obese and they're what is costing society money. it is at the heart of our medical problem in telephone type two diabetes. lipid problems, cancer and dementia. at the heart of our social problems in terms of cognitive
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behavior and at the heart of our financial problems in material of medicare being broke by the year 2024. >> doctor, i am well versed in the history of dieting. i grew up dancing at boston ballet, got to know every diet there was. >> and none of them worked. >> i remember when it was calories were bad. then fat was bad. then carbs was bad. sugar is bad. now this cave man diet. okay. why should we believe anything -- >> look at fred flintstone. >> anything that anybody says about what i should be eating now. >> that i understand completely. we are so jaded. nobody seems to have the right answer. and with all of the snake oil salesmen and charlie tonights that have been in the nutrition industry for as long as they have, i can certainly appreciate your position. i have two things to say about it. number one, i am a physician, a
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scientist and now fledgling policy wonk so i can put the pieces together a little bit better. >> so was dr. adkins. dr. pericone. >> and there's doctors worked. i am not padding my pocket book. i don't have a product line that designed to increase my coffers. i'm trying on get the best scientific information out. the book is completely scientifically referenced. you show me a back out for the public that does that. the second thing is i'm going to call it the pessimistic induction theory. everything that we believed ten years ago is already wrong. and everything we believed today will be wrong ten years from now. so you could basically say, why should we do research if everything that we're going to believe is going to be wrong any way? and the answer is because that's how you advance the ball. that's how science advances. so if you want to say, nothing makes sense so we should not do
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anything, you're part of the problem. not part of the solution. >> absolutely. we've heard that before. >> but let me talk to you about the policy wonk inside you. we've talked a lot on this sbhoe mayor bloomberg and his war on large soda couples. what do you think about government getting involved on public health? >> government has been involved in public health since its inception. 1905, jacob v. massachusetts was with vaccination. compulsory vaccination in cambridge, massachusetts for smallpox. the supreme court said the state had the police power to force people to get mandatory evacuation. the fact is government has been involved in public health from time immemorial. there's a famous statement that came out of a meeting in india. all significant public health advances involve and require the use of law. exactly right. think about it. lead poisoning, pollution, tb. >> airbags, seatbelts.
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>> everyone of they will has involved law and the courts and bloomberg is within his power to be able to influence this. now, i know herman tingling, the judge citing the case, said that this was overreaching and tod capricio capricious. it is not. it is doing the right thing in a way he can do it. >> well, you have some disagreement there. >> thank you so much for having me. appreciate it. >> a quick shout out to some guys sweating it out and winning big inside the beltway. last night in alexander re, a virginia, the angry yeti hockey team won their first northern virginia a-league championship. most of them, including my fiance john, there with another john you may recognize. now training heart forward congressional hockey challenge on april 27th when the lawmakers take on the lobbyists. congratulations. >> great. s.e. loves big foot, her fiance is on a team of yetis.
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and your co-workers pull money for local tickets. then the nearly impossible happens, you win. everyone goes nuts. almost everyone. because one person in your audience didn't put in. here's the question. would you cut that person a share? >> i think within 30 seconds to 60 seconds, every single one of these people chimed in with, i'm in, i'm in, i'm in, i'm in on the text stream. even more excited because now i have goose bumps, she would be included in this amazing experience. >> that is really sweet. the answer at a realty office, a resounding yes. a few things to consider, she was new to the office. a single mom and her son has autism, and they didn't win the full lotto purse. just $1 million from saturday's powerball. but cards on the teenage, if this is the cycle office and the same thing happens, are we cutting a check? let's back spin. we started to do this back at
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the cokornacki era. 3:00 a.m. i think there were about 20 tickets bought. somebody did not get involved. if we had won, we would certainly most like definitely -- >> i think i was out. >> we would not have cut you in if we had won. >> i don't do lotto because i like to game when for the experience. i like playing poker and black jack. this is no experience with gambling. >> i disagree though. i think it is an experience. i think the experience that i enjoy is having that day of like, hmm, what if i won? what would i do? i think that is worth the $5. i would have cut you in by the way. this one, i don't know. this one, i don't know. >> now i am an animal. >> you would not have cut me in. you would not have cut me in. >> definitely not. where does the line go? just like everybody who is our
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friend just gets in on the pool? everybody we know? what about our stage manager lou? she's nice. turn around, shoot her. should she get in? >> i will cut you in. no problem. >> should the bookers get in? should martin get in? should tamron get? let's keep in mine that they won $1 million for 12 people. after the tax man comes, they have $600,000 to play. with they have with $50,000 each. they're not -- it is for some peel. >> it is for a lot of people. >> they're not giving this woman a full share. they're giving her a total of $5,000. which is lovely. but not a full share. >> wait, wait, wait. >> i want to point out how toure is saying he would not give her anything. and then talking about not giving her the full amount. >> we can replay the tape. i i said i would give jennifer maldonado a share.
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i would not give s.e. cupp a share. >> can i make two points? >> yes, i do think toure would becycle" and part of msnbc. toure shares money, he shares drinks. i've seen him buy people dinner. >> on nbc's card. >> whoa. wrap. what are you talking about? this did not happen. >> the only thing toure is not going to share a lot of is air time. if there was a lottery for air time, you'd have that problem. number two -- number two, and the reason why actually sharing the lotto is good as a long-term strategy is the studies show review of economics and statistics looked at this over longitudinal 15 years and a bunch of different winners. >> this just got real. >> people are more likely to go bankrupt if they win the lottery. and the big reason is they get a bunch of money that they don't know how to manage and run through all of it. if twrou you get a small amount of money, you're less likely to
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exhibit that. lauren hill said, it can't about what you cop, it's about what you keep. if you get too much money at once and cannot save it, you won't be happy later. >> i want to say, ari has broken his cherry in making a wrap reference on "the cycle." you're now official and in. you're in now. wow. >> ari, are you saying you don't want to be cut in? we shouldn't do that to you? >> i want the money and the air time. is that so much to ask? >> that's a lot to ask. i'm not sharing with you. >> they actually did a poll, too, right, of what people would do? and only 18% sad that they would divide up the winnings and 40% said it depends on -- >> exactly. >> -- co-workers. >> exactly. so if it's this lovely young woman who just joined who has a special needs child, absolutely. if it's a 40-year-old bachelor who's out chasing chicks at night, we're not cutting him in. >> 18%, krystal, is like the highest that number is going to get, right? that's people who don't have the
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money saying they'd be willing to share it. 18% drops if you have the cash. >> in the future, i would appreciate if you didn't try to make this kind of conversation serious. by clevering it up with science and statistics. >> what's quleclevering? >> that's not what we do. >> clevering, is that a word? >> all right. that's what we thought of all this. i'm glad we covered this in full detail. definitely one of our best segments ever. let's share -- here's s.e.'s notes. see it, it's a big question mark, what am i going to say? we took it to the interwebs to see if anybody out there agrees with us. we asked our facebook friends if they'd share their lotto winnings with a co-worker who didn't join in buying ticket. debbie durham taking a measured approach saying it depends on co-worker, how they interact with everyone and what they contribute to the office.
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you understand, debbie, why s.e. is not getting down. if you work in debbie's office you're constantly being judged. >> apparently in our office as well. >> everybody loves you. like us on facebook and maybe we won't share our lotto winnings with you. definitely not. up next, lovely krystal ball on north dakota's abortion crackdown. you may think you know what she's going to say, but you have no idea. >> oh, wow. vo: from the classic lines to the elegant trim in each and every piece, bold will make your reality a dream. no they don't. hey son. have fun tonight. ♪ ♪ back against the wall ♪ ain't nothin to me ♪ ain't nothin to me [ crowd murmurs ] hey! ♪ [ howls ]
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as we celebrate liberal progress this week in gay marriage, i can't help but turn my eyes across the country to another front where we liberals are plainly losing. abortion. this week, north dakota
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following in the footsteps of other conservative states essentially banned all abortion. on the issue of abortion rights we're losing in the legislative arena and public opinion. young people are more liberal than parents on nearly every issue. views on abortion are nearly identical to older generations. what's going on here? easy to blame our troubles on overreaching legislators like the governor of north dakota but we shouldn't be surprised that he and other anti-choice crusaders are doing all they can to advance their agenda. actually, i blame us. myself, included. the advocates of abortion rights. i blame us for timidity and a squeamish lack of commitment to our own values. abortion is a valid choice and a common choice. one-third of american women will have had an abortion by the time they're 45. these are not sluts and husbandhusband hussies but making the best choice for themselves and families. i guarantee you know their
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families, they're your sister, friend, mother. still it takes tremendous courage for women to come forward with their stories and provide comfort to other women going through the same things. at best we the supporters of apportion rights couch our language in the euphemisms of choice and reproductive options. at worst we take the cowardly and self-righteous tactic acclaiming to be personally opposed to abortion but believing the choice should remain available in effect saying that an abortion is not a personal moral choice, but a tolerated badge of shame, scarlet "a" to be hidden away. you know, it's real easy for me, healthy and in a loving marriage with a stable job, to say i would never have an abortion. but what if my life was in danger? what if i was raped or struggling with anorexia, deep depression or extreme poverty? should any woman be forced to deal not only with the drama of being raped but of being judged and shamed for choosing not to bear their rapist's child? or the child of a con man what promises a lifetime of love and
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gone in an instant. a child with a debilitating nerve disorder who will be dead by the age of 3. the circumstances of a woman's life are so skrvaries and perso it's simply not for us to judge. this week we find ourselves on the verge of a moral victory where millions of gay americans, many of whom have been living and loving in the shadows seem poised to have their love recognized, invalidated by a government that would have thrown them in prison just 20 years ago for expressing that love. there's another group living in the shadows by society that would judge and shame them. the 1/3 of american women who have had an abortion. it's time for us to bring these tens of millions of american women, our sisters, our mothers and in slightly different circumstances, ourselves, out of the shadows and into the light. all right. that does it for us here at "the cycle." karen finney is in again for martin bashir. thanks, guys. good afternoon. it's thursday march the 28th. as we learn new details on the newtown shooter, preside m


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